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		<title>By: socialecologies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, yes, I forgot to add that I do think they are nuanced enough to already have their own &quot;camps&quot; so to speak. Bryant is moving closer to his roots in Deleuze and returning to a &quot;Machine Ontology&quot;; while Bogost promotes a &quot;tiny ontology&quot;, and Morton is with his ecological thinking moving toward a hyperobject ontology.... I don&#039;t think there is an imperial vision here with one master narrative... I think as Bogost said in one of his blog posts, relating to all of this as a &quot;mess&quot;:

A mess is not a pile, which is neatly organized even if situated in an inconvenient place underfoot. A mess is not an elegant thing of a higher order. It is not an intellectual project to be evaluated and risk-managed by waistcoat-clad underwriters. A mess is a strew of inconvenient and sometimes repellent things. It is less an imbroglio of the sort one finds in a painting of Pollock or Picasso, and more the mess one finds in a sculpture of Keinholz. A mess is an accident. A mess is a thing that you find where you don&#039;t want it. A mess is the cascade of broken glass on the floor when you miss the alarm clock and catch the water glass. A mess is the heap of hot, unseen dog shit on the stoop, and then on the stoop and the bootsole. A mess is inelegant, a clutter, a shamble, a terror. We recoil at it, yet there it is, and we must deal with it.

I&#039;m reminded of Feynman and his &quot;fuzzy logic&quot; in the sense that at the moment Object-Oriented though, SR, and Process oriented philosophies are search for vocabularies to describe things in inventive ways, ways that will help us break free of the last two hundred years of post-Kantian speculation and into something else... what that something else will be is as much up to the quality of speculation as it to the speculations themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, yes, I forgot to add that I do think they are nuanced enough to already have their own &#8220;camps&#8221; so to speak. Bryant is moving closer to his roots in Deleuze and returning to a &#8220;Machine Ontology&#8221;; while Bogost promotes a &#8220;tiny ontology&#8221;, and Morton is with his ecological thinking moving toward a hyperobject ontology&#8230;. I don&#8217;t think there is an imperial vision here with one master narrative&#8230; I think as Bogost said in one of his blog posts, relating to all of this as a &#8220;mess&#8221;:</p>
<p>A mess is not a pile, which is neatly organized even if situated in an inconvenient place underfoot. A mess is not an elegant thing of a higher order. It is not an intellectual project to be evaluated and risk-managed by waistcoat-clad underwriters. A mess is a strew of inconvenient and sometimes repellent things. It is less an imbroglio of the sort one finds in a painting of Pollock or Picasso, and more the mess one finds in a sculpture of Keinholz. A mess is an accident. A mess is a thing that you find where you don&#8217;t want it. A mess is the cascade of broken glass on the floor when you miss the alarm clock and catch the water glass. A mess is the heap of hot, unseen dog shit on the stoop, and then on the stoop and the bootsole. A mess is inelegant, a clutter, a shamble, a terror. We recoil at it, yet there it is, and we must deal with it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of Feynman and his &#8220;fuzzy logic&#8221; in the sense that at the moment Object-Oriented though, SR, and Process oriented philosophies are search for vocabularies to describe things in inventive ways, ways that will help us break free of the last two hundred years of post-Kantian speculation and into something else&#8230; what that something else will be is as much up to the quality of speculation as it to the speculations themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Woodard</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is very interesting - I&#039;ll have to answer it later as I&#039;m on campus for most of the day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting &#8211; I&#8217;ll have to answer it later as I&#8217;m on campus for most of the day!</p>
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		<title>By: socialecologies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A tall order, but I will try. One of the things I think people get confused on is the idea of a &quot;flat ontology&quot;: first, it does not mean that everything is flattened out into an amorphous soup or flux; it is neither atomistic, nor a continuum. Instead it means that all objects are on an equal footing, yet against DeLanda this does not mean that there is only one type of object: &quot;individuals&quot;; instead, it signifies the trivial thesis that all things that are are objects. Objects differ amongst one another having their own unique properties and qualities (e.g. numbers have a different structure than organisms, obviously) but they are no less objects for this reason. On the other hand, and more fundamentally, flat ontology is designed to stave off strategies of what Harman refers to as ways of undermining and overmining objects. In short, a flat ontology is an ontology that refuses to undermine or overmine objects. 

Undermining is that operation by which the thinker attempts to dissolve the object in something deeper of which the object is said to be an unreal effect. Consequently, the minimal operation of undermining lies in 1) the assertion of a fundamental strata of reality that constitutes the “really real”, and 2) the dissolution of the object in and through that stratum.

Harman’s concept of overmining is a bit more difficult to follow. Where undermining treats the object as a false appearance produced as an effect of what is alleged to be really real being such as atoms, overmining charges objects with being “falsely deep” and dissolves them in a more superficial strata of phenomena. What does this mean? First, when we describe an object as being “deep” we’re talking about the way in which no description or set of relations ever exhausts the being of the object. Objects, as Adorno liked to say, are never identical to their concept. There’s always something about the object that eludes any description or experience of the object. Thus, properly speaking, objects are one and all infinite in their depths. They can never be exhausted.

Most of this can be gleaned from both Harman and Levi&#039;s work... hope this helps. I get a little long winded at times...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tall order, but I will try. One of the things I think people get confused on is the idea of a &#8220;flat ontology&#8221;: first, it does not mean that everything is flattened out into an amorphous soup or flux; it is neither atomistic, nor a continuum. Instead it means that all objects are on an equal footing, yet against DeLanda this does not mean that there is only one type of object: &#8220;individuals&#8221;; instead, it signifies the trivial thesis that all things that are are objects. Objects differ amongst one another having their own unique properties and qualities (e.g. numbers have a different structure than organisms, obviously) but they are no less objects for this reason. On the other hand, and more fundamentally, flat ontology is designed to stave off strategies of what Harman refers to as ways of undermining and overmining objects. In short, a flat ontology is an ontology that refuses to undermine or overmine objects. </p>
<p>Undermining is that operation by which the thinker attempts to dissolve the object in something deeper of which the object is said to be an unreal effect. Consequently, the minimal operation of undermining lies in 1) the assertion of a fundamental strata of reality that constitutes the “really real”, and 2) the dissolution of the object in and through that stratum.</p>
<p>Harman’s concept of overmining is a bit more difficult to follow. Where undermining treats the object as a false appearance produced as an effect of what is alleged to be really real being such as atoms, overmining charges objects with being “falsely deep” and dissolves them in a more superficial strata of phenomena. What does this mean? First, when we describe an object as being “deep” we’re talking about the way in which no description or set of relations ever exhausts the being of the object. Objects, as Adorno liked to say, are never identical to their concept. There’s always something about the object that eludes any description or experience of the object. Thus, properly speaking, objects are one and all infinite in their depths. They can never be exhausted.</p>
<p>Most of this can be gleaned from both Harman and Levi&#8217;s work&#8230; hope this helps. I get a little long winded at times&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben and Craig,
Do either of you see &quot;flat&quot; versus &quot;depth&quot; ontologies as a fault line within the camps of SR?  Open question, just curious.  

I&#039;m trying to think of some of the issues where SR folks might split or be nuanced enough so as to rightly possess their own &quot;camps.&quot;  By &quot;versus&quot; I don&#039;t mean to perpetrate division per se, but only to identify the idea that these philosophers may have a different or nuanced enough take on traditionally opposed terms in metaphysics so as to have a unique view - each has a way pf reconciling the terms or fitting one or the other, or both, into their projects.  

From what I&#039;ve seen so far, here is where I can see some definite differences.  Not sure that any one is more important than the other.

1. process versus object
2. immanent versus transcendent(al)
3. abstract versus concrete/sensible/material
4. scientific or mathematizable property/power versus withdrawing power/essence
5. form versus object
6. absolute versus relative relation (internal versus external relation)
7. pluralism versus monism (this one is a stretch, but admitting a ground, 
general type, transcendental unitary feature would place you one step towards a type of monism)
8. Epistemological (scientific) realist versus Metaphysical-ontological (scholastic) realist of the general / Metaphysical (immanentist) realist of the particular - this one breaks down to particularism versus someone friendly to a theory of types
9. Correlationism traditionally understood is opposed, though some may return to it in a modified form.
10. anthropocentrism versus non-anthropocentrism

Probably missing a few here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben and Craig,<br />
Do either of you see &#8220;flat&#8221; versus &#8220;depth&#8221; ontologies as a fault line within the camps of SR?  Open question, just curious.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to think of some of the issues where SR folks might split or be nuanced enough so as to rightly possess their own &#8220;camps.&#8221;  By &#8220;versus&#8221; I don&#8217;t mean to perpetrate division per se, but only to identify the idea that these philosophers may have a different or nuanced enough take on traditionally opposed terms in metaphysics so as to have a unique view &#8211; each has a way pf reconciling the terms or fitting one or the other, or both, into their projects.  </p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve seen so far, here is where I can see some definite differences.  Not sure that any one is more important than the other.</p>
<p>1. process versus object<br />
2. immanent versus transcendent(al)<br />
3. abstract versus concrete/sensible/material<br />
4. scientific or mathematizable property/power versus withdrawing power/essence<br />
5. form versus object<br />
6. absolute versus relative relation (internal versus external relation)<br />
7. pluralism versus monism (this one is a stretch, but admitting a ground,<br />
general type, transcendental unitary feature would place you one step towards a type of monism)<br />
8. Epistemological (scientific) realist versus Metaphysical-ontological (scholastic) realist of the general / Metaphysical (immanentist) realist of the particular &#8211; this one breaks down to particularism versus someone friendly to a theory of types<br />
9. Correlationism traditionally understood is opposed, though some may return to it in a modified form.<br />
10. anthropocentrism versus non-anthropocentrism</p>
<p>Probably missing a few here.</p>
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		<title>By: socialecologies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and in that last bit of including mental or ideal bodies by Matsummi I think Levi would disagree, since he is a strict materialist concerning objects: this being one of the central divisions between him and Harman (since Graham affirms non-material objects ).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and in that last bit of including mental or ideal bodies by Matsummi I think Levi would disagree, since he is a strict materialist concerning objects: this being one of the central divisions between him and Harman (since Graham affirms non-material objects ).</p>
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		<title>By: socialecologies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think of the use of Spinoza on Affect might confuse, but what I think Levi would probably add and has spoken of is the use of that term put to work within the context of his involvement with Deleuze&#039;s appropriation of that term, where in Capitalism and Schizophrenia Brian Massumi in his commentary describes:

AFFECT/AFFECTION. Neither word denotes a personal feeling (sentiment in Deleuze and Guattari). L&#039;affect (Spinoza&#039;s affectus) is an ability to affect and be affected. It is a prepersonal intensity corresponding to the passage from one experiential state of the body to another and implying an augmentation or diminution in that body&#039;s capacity to act. L&#039;affection (Spinoza&#039;s affectio) is each such state considered as an encounter between the affected body and a second, affecting, body (with body taken in its broadest possible sense to include &quot;mental&quot; or ideal bodies).

Deleuze, Gilles; Guattari, Félix (1987) [1980]. A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia. Capitalism and Schizophrenia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think of the use of Spinoza on Affect might confuse, but what I think Levi would probably add and has spoken of is the use of that term put to work within the context of his involvement with Deleuze&#8217;s appropriation of that term, where in Capitalism and Schizophrenia Brian Massumi in his commentary describes:</p>
<p>AFFECT/AFFECTION. Neither word denotes a personal feeling (sentiment in Deleuze and Guattari). L&#8217;affect (Spinoza&#8217;s affectus) is an ability to affect and be affected. It is a prepersonal intensity corresponding to the passage from one experiential state of the body to another and implying an augmentation or diminution in that body&#8217;s capacity to act. L&#8217;affection (Spinoza&#8217;s affectio) is each such state considered as an encounter between the affected body and a second, affecting, body (with body taken in its broadest possible sense to include &#8220;mental&#8221; or ideal bodies).</p>
<p>Deleuze, Gilles; Guattari, Félix (1987) [1980]. A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia. Capitalism and Schizophrenia.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Woodard</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea, I&#039;m interested in the differences between Harman and Bryant in terms of processes but what I find difficult is the recourse to Spinoza as I feel like the ontological flatness therein (coupled with a necessitarian commitment that ideas and things are parallel by the nature of the One substance) is problematic when talking about forces particularly in regards to temporality or how things produced then effect the production of future things in terms of material constraint. For me, affect doesn&#039;t do more than the world relation or maybe better is connection but I feel like it feels more weighty because it has a related emotional connotation, because it can be exp as joy, sorrow, etc in us gives it a kind of digging power into the brain that I question...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, I&#8217;m interested in the differences between Harman and Bryant in terms of processes but what I find difficult is the recourse to Spinoza as I feel like the ontological flatness therein (coupled with a necessitarian commitment that ideas and things are parallel by the nature of the One substance) is problematic when talking about forces particularly in regards to temporality or how things produced then effect the production of future things in terms of material constraint. For me, affect doesn&#8217;t do more than the world relation or maybe better is connection but I feel like it feels more weighty because it has a related emotional connotation, because it can be exp as joy, sorrow, etc in us gives it a kind of digging power into the brain that I question&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Woodard</title>
		<link>http://naughtthought.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/iain-hamilton-grant/#comment-3550</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: socialecologies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may or may not be familiar with Levi R. Bryant&#039;s Larval Subjects blog, and his new book The Democracy of Objects, but he is open to the processual position, and it indeed informs much of his Onticology (his version of Machine Ontology, a sub branch of the Object-Oriented gang: Harman, Bogost, Morton, and Bryant). For him the &quot;notion of potentiality&quot; after Whitehead is central:

Bryant&#039;s focus is on motion, on doing and acting in the world. Bryant came to the sudden realization that the &quot;concept of potentiality, of potency, is the theme of all of my philosophical work&quot; (Potentiality and Onticology, 5/26/2011).  

Levi tells us &quot;Potentiality, power, potency is pure capacity, pure “can-do”, pure ability. As such, it tells us nothing of the form that the actualized power will take when it becomes a quality or what I call a local manifestation. These potentialities are what I call, following Spinoza, “affects”, or the capacity to affect and be affected. They are structures of the object, they aren’t featureless, yet they do not embody any determinate qualities. In this regard, it is completely misleading to suggest that the power of an acorn contains an oak tree. No, acorns contain the possibility of all sorts of unique and aleatory movements (under specific conditions) that might become an oak tree.&quot; Ultimately the potentiality of an Object exists sometimes as active or at-work, and sometimes as inactive, latent, or withdrawn from all work/relation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may or may not be familiar with Levi R. Bryant&#8217;s Larval Subjects blog, and his new book The Democracy of Objects, but he is open to the processual position, and it indeed informs much of his Onticology (his version of Machine Ontology, a sub branch of the Object-Oriented gang: Harman, Bogost, Morton, and Bryant). For him the &#8220;notion of potentiality&#8221; after Whitehead is central:</p>
<p>Bryant&#8217;s focus is on motion, on doing and acting in the world. Bryant came to the sudden realization that the &#8220;concept of potentiality, of potency, is the theme of all of my philosophical work&#8221; (Potentiality and Onticology, 5/26/2011).  </p>
<p>Levi tells us &#8220;Potentiality, power, potency is pure capacity, pure “can-do”, pure ability. As such, it tells us nothing of the form that the actualized power will take when it becomes a quality or what I call a local manifestation. These potentialities are what I call, following Spinoza, “affects”, or the capacity to affect and be affected. They are structures of the object, they aren’t featureless, yet they do not embody any determinate qualities. In this regard, it is completely misleading to suggest that the power of an acorn contains an oak tree. No, acorns contain the possibility of all sorts of unique and aleatory movements (under specific conditions) that might become an oak tree.&#8221; Ultimately the potentiality of an Object exists sometimes as active or at-work, and sometimes as inactive, latent, or withdrawn from all work/relation.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ben,
Sorry, should have been more clear.  I was agreeing with you, and I loved your post.  It seemed that when Harman was hinting that Grant was not interested in epistemology he was also cutting an OOO/non-OOO divide.  (I&#039;d have to look at his post again, but if I remember there a point where he says something to the effect, &quot;Everyone else is an object-oriented philosopher.&quot;)  That may be incidental to the point to be made, but more pressing (as you call out in your post) is the question of ground(s) and powers, which I try to emphasize in my comment above.

Hope that clears things up, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben,<br />
Sorry, should have been more clear.  I was agreeing with you, and I loved your post.  It seemed that when Harman was hinting that Grant was not interested in epistemology he was also cutting an OOO/non-OOO divide.  (I&#8217;d have to look at his post again, but if I remember there a point where he says something to the effect, &#8220;Everyone else is an object-oriented philosopher.&#8221;)  That may be incidental to the point to be made, but more pressing (as you call out in your post) is the question of ground(s) and powers, which I try to emphasize in my comment above.</p>
<p>Hope that clears things up, no?</p>
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